Do you remember being taught history in school? Now, I only had Norwegian history for 10 years instead of 12, seeing as I transferred to an international school which focused on European, rather than Norwegian modern history, but unless I´m very much mistaken, there was a lot of important stuff left out of my curriculum.

Did you for instance know that the Vikings enjoyed same sex relations?

Or did your teacher or curriculum state anything about the results of Norwegian development aid, or question the views of Norway as a promoter of peace in the world?

Or, most importantly, did you learn that from 1935-1977, more than 44 000 sterilisations were carried out in Norway, and only about half of them were done on condoning patients?

I didn´t learn any of this in high school. The reason I know it now is because I study history at university level. I think it´s time to be more controversial when deciding the curriculum of Norwegian history classes. People should be aware. Or am I wrong? Were you taught this in school? Was I the only one who missed those classes?

And to you people from other countries: Do you ever wonder what might have been left out of your curriculums?

From: [identity profile] nathan-h.livejournal.com


My understanding on the 'gay viking' issue is that while it was common there was some social stigma in being the 'recieving' man concerned, swince it was sign as a sign of weakness / submission. To be honest, if you put a lot of butch men together for a long period, it tends to happen (c.f. the templars).

As for gaps in our own history, Ireland is hardly mentioned at all in UK history lessons (is william of orange's campaign, cromwell's campaigns, absorbed the country in 1800 and the potato famine all get left out). So to is the Boer war (where Britain invented concentration camps).

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


Hm, I find it interesting that schools choose to avoid the bleaker parts of the history of the country (gay vikings of course being an awesome part of Scandinavian history, stigma or no stigma). The point is to learn, is it not?


From: [identity profile] nathan-h.livejournal.com


(aplogies for appalling typos in previous post. I blame rushing to type during my lunch half-hour).

With some subjects (particularly history) it's very hard to present information from an objective view (indeed, may even be impossible). All teaching contains bias (if only in what is not taught in the finite time available). In some sense, all teaching is indoctrination.

Homesexuality is normally not covered in schools. It might give children ideas after all. Sexuality is not covered in history at all normally.

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


It´s true that it´s impossible to give an unbiased version of history, but that just makes it all the more important to present different views and attempt to show different aspect of a country´s history.

From: [identity profile] sortkatt.livejournal.com


"Homesexuality is normally not covered in schools. "
It is in my school. We have just gotten this awesome book called "Gaykids - kule barn som også finnes" (Gaykids, cool kids that are also there). Lots of anecdotes where adult homosexuals tell about their childhoods.

And although some teachers might still have difficulty speaking about it, at least in my classes the pupils don't. Either the world's going forward, or I'm wearing rose tinted glasses.

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


That is excellent. In Norway we´re very aware of the flaws in the American school system. The Norwegian one however...

From: [identity profile] abigor60.livejournal.com

As old as history itself



What is taught in school in the U.S. is pretty sanitized. The justification for editing history books here in the states is to make historical subjects that are unlikely to anger parents, and are more easily understood by students. It is something often debated on local levels, but not so much on a national one.

Usually people tend not to push for more accurate curriculum, because they believe students that are interested in the subject will likely take courses in history if they attend a university. But some of these texts read like patriotic propaganda.

Hopefully it is not as bad as the Japanese history textbook controversy from a year or two ago. That was a little scary.


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Re: As old as history itself


Japan had concentration, rape and other horrible camps in China during the war. They also did lots of other not-very-nice stuff. This was not mentioned in some new history textbooks.

From: (Anonymous)

Re: As old as history itself


I will do both.

The controversy concerns the behavior of the Japanese government and military during World War II. Some conservative groups have tried to whitewash the atrocities committed by the government, while some liberal groups have tried to portray the Communist forces in a heroic light.

Since 2000 however it has been mostly about the whitewash attempts by Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform.

Here is a Wikipedia link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies

From: [identity profile] kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com


I don't recall really learning much "scandalous" material in high school (or in my college World History classes, for that matter,) but my American History professor was pretty liberal and we used a textbook called A People's History of the United States, which basically included all the completely douchebaggy things the government has done over the course of the country's history that nobody ever told you about before.

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


Cool. It´s good to know that some teachers break with tradition. ;)

From: [identity profile] jhkim.livejournal.com


Yeah, I never learned about anything like this in high school. I did know about viking homosexuality and the forced sterilizations. (I learned about the sterilizations when I read about Norway in preparation for my first trip there. I learned about homosexuality in the course of research for my Vinland campaign.)

There has been a lot of change in the field of history in the past few decades, exposing bias. However, textbooks are very slow to change, and often opposed by government.

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


THat is true, but I feel the schools should strive to keep up with current findings. After all, they do that in hard sciences.

From: [identity profile] gurimalla.livejournal.com


I'm not sure what I learned about the vikings (seeing as the vikings were curriculum in like 2. grade or something) but the answer to the other two questions is yes. Of course.
And I didn't even have normal history for the last three years, I had art and music history.
If you didn't learn about point two and/or three in history or social science that means your school/teacher didn't follow the curriculum plans, which is quite common and a big problem when it happens. The curriculum plans are there for a reason...

From: [identity profile] martinemonster.livejournal.com


Well color me impressed! I guess I was wrong then. (I´m not being sarcastic, I´m actually impressed)

Guess my country isn´t as bad as I thought, and I was just in the vicinity of bad teachers.

From: [identity profile] gurimalla.livejournal.com


You weren't all wrong though. Because having these things in our curriculum doesn't help if the teachers just skip it. Also, some subjects such as RLE (religion, etikk og livssyn) are not very good and put way too much emphasis on Christianity and a lot of teachers have a tendency to teach Christianity as a religion or even as fact and other religions as myths and curiosities.

But no, it's probably not as bad as you thought, our politicians do have their moments, you know... :p

From: [identity profile] sortkatt.livejournal.com


Actually, we don't have curriculum plans anymore. We just have some "knowledge goals" or something, and get to make our own curriculum. To a degree. There are still certain points that has to be covered, but teachers are to a larger degree free to define their own curriculum. Mostly this is a good thing, but if you have 'tarded teachers (and they do exist), it's not.
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